tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post6847467315633235637..comments2022-03-26T09:40:26.757-04:00Comments on High Heat Stats: Bob ForschAndyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05644396308532248413noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-53628094180277359282011-11-04T20:10:22.353-04:002011-11-04T20:10:22.353-04:00No question good defense helped some of these guys...No question good defense helped some of these guys, but that should be (mostly) accounted for in their ERA+, so good run support is still probably the major contributor to the W-L record.Johnny Twistonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-12164329254568394232011-11-04T18:26:16.307-04:002011-11-04T18:26:16.307-04:00My "also" in #4 above implies that I tho...My "also" in #4 above implies that I thought Forsch died in Billings, Montana. That's misleading; I was only commenting on the unlikely connection of Billings to <b><i>two</i></b> 20-game winners. Sorry!<br /><br /><i>These are just about all really lucky seasons, in that the pitchers got a lot of run support or were the beneficiary of well above-average bullpen work.</i><br /><br />Or, we could add, really good defense, which helps explain the presence of Dave McNally ('69 Orioles) and Mike Cuéllar ('70 and '71 Orioles) on Andy's list. These were Frank Robinson's last three years in Baltimore, so I suspect McNally and Cuéllar received some pretty good run support too.<br /><br />Fun stat: Cuéllar posted a career National League ERA of 2.97 (111 ERA+), with a W-L record of 42-41 (.506). His career AL ERA was 3.20 (109 ERA+), but his W-L record was 143-89 (.616). That's what going from the Al Spangler Astros to the Frank Robinson Orioles will do for your "ability" to win games.Kahuna Tunanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-18959300524314112302011-11-04T18:22:40.885-04:002011-11-04T18:22:40.885-04:00Again, my prayers are offerred to Mr. Forsch and h...Again, my prayers are offerred to Mr. Forsch and his family.Frank Clingenpeelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15046678710651895070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-84101443576858887212011-11-04T18:02:47.012-04:002011-11-04T18:02:47.012-04:00Forsch's Top 2 in similarity among pitchers ar...Forsch's Top 2 in similarity among pitchers are Paul Splittorff and Mike Flanagan. All three have died in the past 6 months.MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01621278770959088614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-79409677485116383062011-11-04T17:11:26.143-04:002011-11-04T17:11:26.143-04:00I hope I did not create the impression that Forsch...I hope I did not create the impression that Forsch had died in Montana; I only meant that he was last employed as the pitching coach for the Billings Mustangs.<br /><br />According to news sources online, Forsch died at his home near Tampa, FL.John Autinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-79050541432915043172011-11-04T16:46:04.716-04:002011-11-04T16:46:04.716-04:00@6
I just looked, B-R indicates 22 players born i...@6<br /><br />I just looked, B-R indicates 22 players born in Montana.Richard Chesternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-89524189700292401872011-11-04T16:25:23.334-04:002011-11-04T16:25:23.334-04:00And 20 were born there:
http://www.baseball-refer...And 20 were born there:<br /><br />http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/MT_born.shtmlAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05644396308532248413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-73559227990191744582011-11-04T16:24:56.763-04:002011-11-04T16:24:56.763-04:00Strange indeed. Before Forsch, only 14 major leagu...Strange indeed. Before Forsch, only 14 major leaguers had died anywhere in Montana:<br /><br />http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/MT_died.shtmlAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05644396308532248413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-35585058949268191902011-11-04T16:23:12.368-04:002011-11-04T16:23:12.368-04:00Strange . . . Billings, Montana is also where Dave...Strange . . . Billings, Montana is also where Dave McNally died. (See #22 in Andy's chart.)Kahuna Tunanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-57374576849669055752011-11-04T16:21:56.644-04:002011-11-04T16:21:56.644-04:00I remember the 1982 WS, as Whitey did in the ESPN ...I remember the 1982 WS, as Whitey did in the ESPN story.Gadflyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13075757287807731373noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-72840121786200720202011-11-04T16:10:22.392-04:002011-11-04T16:10:22.392-04:00I just looked it up---Forsch and Alou were both ac...I just looked it up---Forsch and Alou were both active in 1974 (Alou's last year and Forsch's first) but they did not face each other.Andyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05644396308532248413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6045316758731625703.post-73924509276228847882011-11-04T16:04:54.384-04:002011-11-04T16:04:54.384-04:00Bob Forsch '77 -- specifically, his Strat-O-Ma...Bob Forsch '77 -- specifically, his Strat-O-Matic card -- was Lesson 1 in my "hard-knocks" education that W-L records aren't all they seem.<br /><br />Condolences to his family and friends, as well as the communities of the St. Louis Cardinals and the Billings, MT Mustangs.John Autinnoreply@blogger.com